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Mike: "Shane - thanks for agreeing to do this interview. Can we begin by
going back to the $7,000 dollar price tag of PRIMER. You are famously
quoted as saying you shot the film for the price of a used car. Can
you give a break down of the costs?"
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Shane: "It was a few thousand for the camera rental,
a couple of thousand for processing, and then,
of course, the cost of film stock. I called around
and managed to get a lot of expired stock donated.
I also used tungsten-based 35mm slide film to
storyboard the movie - this really helped me show
the various labs what the final film would look like
and thus negotiate prices with them. They are much
more likely to give you a discount when they think
you’re someone that might be back one day with a
bigger budget. I'd also like to stress to people
that the $7,000 did not cover the 35mm blow-up.
A friend loaned me the cash for that when we realized
we would need something to project at Sundance.
I had a few offers from certain bodies to pay for
the blow-up, but they demanded that they be credited
as Executive Producers and that their credit
show before everyone else's. I didn't think
that was fair to me and everyone who worked on
the film for free before it was a "Sundance" film.
Luckily, my friend Scott Douglass saved the day."
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Mike: "In addition to renting the camera, did you make any equipment yourself,
such as homemade steadicams (monopod with a camera-equivalent weight
gaffered to the bottom) or dollies (skateboards, etc)."
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Shane: "I looked into rigging up a skateboard-style dolly,
but in the end I found a dolly that was cheap
(around $40/week) compared to the camera rental
which was about $1,000 per week."
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Mike: "Tell me a bit about the casting of this film, and your take on
the use of professional actors. I noticed that you play the lead
and that a number of other non-professionals played other parts."
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Shane: "I had a bad experience with the casting.
I saw about 100 actors in total, but found that
they either were a little too theatrical, or that
they'd show up unprepared. In the end, only
one professional actor ended up in the movie.
The rest were either family members, or
friends-of-friends. It's funny because I've heard
several nice comments specifically about the acting."
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Mike: "If you were to do this film again, is
there anything that you would do differently?"
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Shane: "I would do a better job of securing a producer (or ten).
One of the problems I had shooting PRIMER is that I didn't
have enough time to concentrate on direction. I was
too busy phoning the actors, securing locations,
picking up equipment, running to the lab, and just
coordinating everything. I also would add that,
in retrospect, if I had just increased the budget
a little - say from $7,000 to $10,000, the film could
have been two or three times better.
A good example is the fact I edited the film
with Adobe Premiere. In addition to it
continually crashing, I have found that it is
just not cut out for proper film work, where
something like Final Cut Pro is. Premiere is
fine for home videos, but it lacks certain features
that restricted what I could do and how seamlessly
I could work with the sound."
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Mike: "What can we expect to see from you next?"
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Shane: "I am finishing a script now that I hope to direct."
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Mike: "Do you think that you will continue to direct from your own scripts,
or are you open to directing the written work of others, and even
adapting novels?"
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Shane: "That's a question I've been deliberating over for a while now.
While I don't want to appear stubborn, I must confess that I find the
writer/director route much more attractive because I will always understand my scripts, their characters, and their motivations in a much more intimate way than
a script by another writer."
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Mike: "Once you had finished PRIMER, what was your strategy for getting it
recognised?"
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Shane: "I met the early deadline for Sundance,
but I was kind of paranoid about how political
the process of getting in might be. I had heard
it was always a good idea to get a producer's rep,
so I travelled down to LA and spent some time
phoning around. I called around 500-600 people
a week, everyone from publicists to managers to
agents. I also created a trailer and a website
for the film. Ultimately I don't know exactly what
led to the film getting in. I'd like to think
that everything that happens is based completely
on a film's merits, but so many things happened,
it's hard to pin it down to a certain series of events."
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Mike: "Did you get any producer's reps trying
to prey upon and exploit you?"
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Shane: "Yes. I found a guy who claimed to love the
film and wanted to rep it. He also wanted $5000 a
month as a retainer. Actually, that happened quite a
few times. One guy told me to send a screener to
his friend in New York along with a check for a few
hundred dollars for "editing notes". It's a bizarre
world out there. To this day, I don't know if those
were scams or if that's just another way it could have gone."
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Mike: "What advice do you have for young filmmakers branching
out into the world of independent filmmaking?"
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Shane: "I have zero advice. There are so many
contradictory recommendations out there, that
I'm sure first-time filmmakers already have enough
to deal with without me adding to the noise.
For the last 3 years I have been given so much
bad advice, I'd hate to do the same to anyone else."
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Mike: "It seems that a lot of low-budget filmmakers
these days are tending to overlook how important sound is in
a movie. How did you approach sound in your film?"
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Shane: "I was one of those guys you mentioned, who didn't
pay the sound enough attention. I had a
DAT recorder and a crappy old mic. The sound
wasn't good to be honest. About 80% of it
needed to be rerecorded."
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Mike: "How did you approach the ADR?"
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Shane: "I did the ADR work in my apartment. The only
things that seemed to make noise in my apartment
were the fridge and the computer. I switched the
fridge off, and put my PC in a back closet with just
a mouse and keyboard and monitor wired (with extension
cables) up to it."
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Mike: "So when will we all finally be able to see PRIMER?"
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Shane: "I just finished negotiations for the North
American distribution deal with THINKFilm.
PRIMER will be in theatres before the end of the year."
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